He was the one that escalated the situation to where the ATC got flustered/put off by his response. Shout out to Capt. ], Subject: RE: FOIA 2020-007191WP DUE: 8/6/2020. Maybe follow-up later with a phone call to make sure they knew it was entirely unintentional, you immediately corrected the error, and that safety is paramount. There's no stick up anyone's ass here just concerned people who want to ensure the people who trust us to get them to point B are safe. I look forward to receiving your response to this request within 20 business days, as the statute requires. I know the FAA is trying to do the whole kinder gentler thing but there is a time to make an example. For verification purposes, even though the expiration date on the registration certificate may not match the expiration date in the FAA Aircraft . What's the big deal? People get frustrated in the air just like they do in cars and dont get their license suspended. The wheels of justice grind slowly but they do grind - Ken White (a lawyer and a good one). He busted that test and they pulled his ticket. Please provide a copy of all records previously provided under FOIA request: 2020-007074WS . ). At the point you're referring to he was a FREAKING IDIOT who SHOULD LOSE HIS CERT violating airspace. Humans make mistakes sometimes its not a reason to bully somebody. airworthiness of an aircraft or the current aircraft configuration. This kind of thing gets people killed. If he had a sick passenger he should have explained the situation to ATC better or at all. The tower controller likely doesn't care, as he won't be handling it. I just looked over the link you posted. 2 Letter from FAA notifying an investigation is underway, privileges may be suspended or curtailed until investigation is over. I hope he stops making bad decisions before he no longer has the ability to do so. Hundreds could have died. The controller continues to direct other traffic including warning other planes in the area that N1NR is there and approximately where it is so that they do not collide with it as it has still not left Bravo. 1) Probably not hypoxia. B734. The compilation is based on data from the agency's Enforcement Information System ( EIS ). He responds he requested clearance previously. Good luck. I'm a Retired LAS Controller. Student - he did get his private after 3 more months of practice. The problem is with dangerous attitude. I live in Las Vegas. The pilots is always in command, not the controller. Honestly I'm not sure why. With respect to my comment above (cant edit), delete the word email from the comment (next to last word). I think by "Airforce" [sic] you're thinking of all those movies you've seen. The few concerns about behavior affected by incipient tumor or hypoxia bring back memories. - refusing to take down a number because "busy flying" Almost everybody agrees the jerk was wrong and dangerously so. And stop hating on those people in supermarkets and parks. Yeah, this whole sick daughter thing sounds like so much after action excuse making. Always IFR but I still We all know the pilot was wrong but. maybe he's tired of the attitude of that particular class bravo. Watch how 731NR Decides to fly right into class bravo and not even care about it. There is zero excuse for wasting ATC's time in a Class B in this age of airliners everywhere. Just to offer a slightly different perspective on all of this, I am wondering if there's a medical issue here, in which some sympathy might be warranted. 731NR | Pilots of America Home Forums Controlled Airspace Flight Following 731NR Discussion in ' Flight Following ' started by WWFeldman, Oct 29, 2020 . 1NR, exit the Bravo immediately.Pilot: Ive been talking to you the whole time. Information Mike current at Henderson, they're landing 35"N731NR: [inaudible]. Share sensitive information only on official, secure websites. I'm a Retired LAS Controller. If you are in trouble for pilot deviation, the results could be very bad. Reminds me of center frequencies ignoring calls from VFR aircraft. Certainly, the other person on frequency broke the rules by transmitting directly to the pilot, but that was defensible and measured: the pilot had severely degraded situational awareness that was imperiling the safe operation of his aircraft. "LAS: "No"N731NR: "Yes! Continuing into class Bravo airspace without a clearance and then flying right thru the active ILS approach to a major airport is a huge problem. From available ATC communications, it appears this particular pilot either forgot to make the request, or thought he made the request to get permission. Sort it out on the ground, or declare an emergency: pilot is an ass. Want the latest investigative and FOIA news? Attached is the letter in response to your above mentioned FOIA request. I fly in the busy Chicago airspace as a private pilot and the vast majority of Private pilots are as professional as the air transport pilots, and are often much less complacent in and around the class B and class C airspace. . He SHOULD lose his cert for He should AT LEAST be suspended, and frankly, given his behavior, I have no issue with his losing it. I don't care where people get frustrated. Thank you in advance for your anticipated cooperation in this matter. The FAA can pull your medical for almost any reason, and you will need some pretty expensive doctor's appointments to get it back. The pilot never requested clearance into the class BRAVO airspace. he Karen Mosley apparetly is clueless about aviation. To do this, they will use the Brasher Notification Phraseology. It was quite a [emailprotected]## show. Possible Pilot Deviation Imagine you're the PIC, departing from Runway 27L. Most aircraft are owned by a business, a corporation, a leasing company, or someone who rents their aircraft out. Humans make mistakes sometimes its not a reason to bully somebody. would argue at times. Your participation in helping us identify both our strong and weak points will help us improve our service(s) to all our stakeholders. This notice provides new procedures for investigating pilot deviations (PD), and completing FAA Form 8020-18, Investigation of Pilot Deviation Report by certificate-holding district offices (CHDO), Flight Standards District Offices (FSDO), and certificate management offices (CMO) with oversight of air carrier operators certificated under We have your student at the local FBO, and one of my people has the keys. When you have 2 F-16s or 2 F-15s escorting you that should bring sense into your head faster than having the nerve to argue. As well as this, any pilot in command that deviates from an ATC clearance in an emergency, or in response to a traffic alert and collision avoidance system resolution advisory should notify the ATC of the deviation as soon as possible. The aircraft, N731NR, is registered to "Wife Approved LLC." They have your lives in their hands. That being said, its not just a comfort level thing or willingness issue - its often a safety judgement. This guys ego trip does not trump the lives of the flying public and those on the ground who live under the pattern. I'll give you the number when you're ready to copy. Air traffic controllers are susceptible to power trips and moods and biases, just like everyone else. Even the big airline pilots (American, Delta, etc.) The plane was a Cessna P210N, so pressurization could be an issue. "Isnt the airspace over international airports congested (and dangerous) enough without these general aviation Cesena clowns and the Harrison Fords of the world putting the rest of us at risk? And the incidents you mention are the exact reason for the existence of Bravo and Charlie airspace in the first place. > Good job on hitting a new high USA! Your request is assigned to the office listed below: Federal Aviation Administration Contact: Amelia McGillWestern-Pacific Region (424) 405-7221Flight Standards Division, AWP-200777 S. Aviation Blvd.El Segundo, CA 90245. There are legal charges. I've been given instructions that I don't agree with. U.S. Department of Transportation Federal Aviation Administration 800 Independence Avenue, SW Washington, DC 20591 1-866-TELL-FAA (1-866-835-5322) I was working the ER In Jerusalem and this belligerent teen was being kept there for observation post head trauma. After that Dad called a friend in the FAA out of the STP and reported the now private pilot as a hazzard and requested a re examination. We will leave some of the most common violations below for you to read about. and our This is usually in the following format: (Aircraft identification) POSSIBLE PILOT DEVIATION, ADVISE YOU CONTACT (facility) AT (telephone number). She was released later on. Why Do They Cut the Back of Your Shirt When You First Fly Solo? Again, not a good decision. And an ATP should be a few thousand. Flying his bird may get a lot less pleasant REAL fast. ATC: "N1NR, possible pilot deviation, advise to contact Las Vegas approach. I know this Controller and she is good at her job. Got it in there but lake was too short for lake off. I was working the ER In Jerusalem and this belligerent teen was being kept there for observation post head trauma. In the next couple of weeks this is what he can expect: 1 Phone call with FAA to get pilots side of the story. 552. Get the stick out of your asses. Cookie Notice It should have gone 1NR, please exit the Bravo. The controller states that the pilot needs clearance to be in Bravo and to have requested clearance. Time that controller needed for other pilots who HAD to be in the Class B. I can't believe anyone would defend his behavior Is it that hard to skirt around or over it? I too am amazed at the next tower's apology. Anyone flying under VFR (Visual Flight Rules) needs to hear the words You are cleared to enter the Bravo airspace before entering the Bravo airspace. In this case, a plane with the registration code N1NR enters Bravo airspace without clearance to do so, and thats where the situation starts: ATC: N1NR, I need you outside of the Bravo.Pilot: Negative.ATC: Negative what?Pilot: Im inside.ATC: You were not given a clearance through the Bravo. The tower controller likely For everyone making your amazing judgment calls on the Henderson controller: You might get hypoxic if you fly right over Class B at 10000 or above. Learn more. Anything that may seem like a clearance but does not resemble those exact words is not a clearance. The requested documents will be made available to the general public, and this request is not being made for commercial purposes. I'd always much rather be proactive and prevent a pilot deviation. Note that the question does NOT ask: > When ATC has you call them for pilot deviation you have made, what do they say on the phone? And he had to know that ATC comms are recorded. * For those reading this forum long after June 2020, this is a time where law enforcement organizations (LEOs) across the US are being told to stop killing minorities. I almost always fly IFR. Or . The ONLY reason aviation is the safest form of transportation is precisely because everything is taken so seriously. Please inform me prior to conducting any service demanding fees.I would prefer the request filled electronically, by e-mail attachment if available or CD-ROM if not. Both pilot and atc handled the situation poorly. incorporated its pilot deviation notification procedures into the Facility Operation and Administration publication in 1986. Interceptions are dangerous and that jet blast and thrust from either twin thrust (F-15) or single thrust (F-16) could put the Cessna into a dangerous condition. Keith - THANK YOU for all that you did to ensure the safety of your passengers and your crew! like this one. Aviation SafetyOffice of Safety StandardsRegulatory Support DivisionAviation Data Systems Branch, In our continuing effort to improve the quality of service to our stakeholders, we would appreciate any comments you may have about our services and how to improve them. This guy is a class-one "all about me" narcissist who makes GA pilots look bad. I live under the approach and departure path to MIA, so I constantly have ATC audio playing in the background. Just like the American pilots did when they couldn't get runway 31 at JFK. This guy make me sick!!! Student then bought a old Grumen Float plane thinking he would used it to fly back and forth to his lake home. Get the stick out of your asses. WWFeldman Pre-takeoff checklist Joined: Nov 11, 2019 Messages: 107 Display name: WWFeldman I'm sure we all remember our favorite bravo buster. Go read the news HERE AND NOW and find out when we call the cops with the .50 BMGs to take out one guy going to the store because he looks "suspicious".*. Not saying that he should yell at him, but apologizing seemed a bit odd.