Bob Just want to commend you on how clearly you are able to elucidate on a given topic, Im envious. S.J. However, Jesus did not tell you or me that we should give ten percent. A church that is a biblical one, patterns its self-after the example in the New Testament. Corrections? I agree! They were just outside of the resort area on the beach at night and were stopped by a group of policemen. For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. They practice the Biblical teachings of separation as stated in Ephesians 5:11, which says, Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. Most of the Anabaptists successors became the Mennonites, Amish and Quakers. What Jesus is talking about in Matthew 5 is ceremonial law. The first is the United Church of Christ and secondly is the one I refer to, Independent Churches of Christ. You know, when you really dig into many religions you find much of mans tradition. 2 Timothy 2:24, And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient. However, after independence was won and the Constitutional written giving all Americans religious freedom, the Baptist again began to grow until today they are the largest denomination in the United States. Even the enemies of the Baptists openly recognize their zeal for the Word of God. watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it Calvary Chapels do not believe that baptism is necessary for membership in a local assembly. They practice the Biblical teachings of separation as stated in Ephesians 5:11, which says, Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. We dress however we want, however, my Pastor chides me in good nature, because I frequently wear black clothing, but he is not being critical. amzn_assoc_placement = "adunit0"; amzn_assoc_tracking_id = "lifewaymarket-20"; amzn_assoc_ad_mode = "manual"; amzn_assoc_ad_type = "smart"; amzn_assoc_marketplace = "amazon"; amzn_assoc_region = "US"; amzn_assoc_linkid = "7e0c08952d33ff8dd3379356ab6731f1"; amzn_assoc_asins = "1479180297,B00A4SKJXG,1250026261,0830816607,0809134888,0884197689,B00X531UN0,0877888256,0764205374"; amzn_assoc_title = "BaptistDeception.com Book Club Picks"; We never shun people who leave the church. A comprehensive Independent Baptist Church Directory listing over 8000 churches. Those good Church of Christ folks, I have a few friends in that faith, good folks, but as youve so clearly pointed out, completley out in left field as it relates to musical instruments in the church. G.L. First I would disagree that The Church of Christ teaches first century, new testament doctrine. PO BOX 292. You are right, Jesus came to fulfill the law. Independent Fundamental Churches of America, https://www.britannica.com/topic/Independent-Fundamental-Churches-of-America, Official Site of IFCA International, Grandville, Michigan, United States. I already addressed the 1st point regarding them being under Mosaic Law vs us if you read all youlll find them incl how Jesus spoke to similar crowd regarding what is Adultery, etcalso I already explained its not mandatory & no one says you better or must incl where I;m atI already explained how Jesus stated it was not to be undone while He expanded on what should have been done of which they failedif it was all about Mosaic law only they would probally I think be in compliance but Christ fulfilled & was teaching in consitency with that. While every effort has been made to follow citation style rules, there may be some discrepancies. Smyth, believed the only real apostolic succession is a succession of Biblical New Testament truth, and not of outward ordinances and visible organization such as the Church of England or the Roman Church. The Official Independent Baptist Rulebook, Known in Some Churches as Church Standards Thou shalt obey the pastor at all times Thou shalt obey all adults at all times if you are a child or teenager Thou shalt obey your husband at all times if you are a woman Thou shalt obey your parents at all times They do not find support in the Bible for such a requirement. It has received 39 reviews with an average rating of 4.7 stars. The person, John the Baptist. The transformation God is making in our lives makes us stand out. The loved me and cared for my" Ask these five questions of any church, and if they can answer all five in truth with a yes, then you will have a true Baptist church. 53, Cornhill, 1813, Fundamental Baptist CD ROM Library, 1701 Harns Rd. History is clear there is no other denomination that has so loved and been faithful to Gods Word as has the Baptists. Nowhere in the Bible do I see that Christians are recognized by their clothing. May God bless Bob. They will not participate, as a church, in any outside function with churches which do not also strictly base their faith and practice on the New Testament. They say they hold to the NT pattern, and yet, they do not. Our church stresses the importance of listening to music that is Christ-honoring and doesnt sound like war as the music mentioned while worshiping the golden calf in the Old Testament (inspired Scripture) Of all my favorite things to do now that Im out of that situation, is raise my hands and praise my precious Saviour when He stirs my heart. First I find your demeaning undertone disheartening. I am having a hard time figuring you out. Hello, He said from the pulpit, No one ever asked me if I was a Christian while out in public! Im thinking thats not a good thing. @greg G.L. Henry Jacob. In fact the Roman Church can only trace its history back to 313 AD when the Roman Emperor Constantine made Christianity a legal religion. It is surely an affront to any historically informed Baptist identify him by the name of a group that has so hated and persecuted them down throughout history. God bless. Although they were a great deal more pious than the Church of England they still practiced most of its beliefs including infant baptism. Knolleys after two years returned to England at the request of his father. It should be free. The Association of Fundamental Baptist Churches in the Philippines AFBCP is an organization guiding cooperative ministries of Independent Baptist He also had a big thing against girls being in beauty pageants, not sure what the problem was there. We give out of thankfulness to God for what Christ has accomplished as we are led by the Spirit. Rachael God bless you!! It was organized in Cicero, Illinois, U.S., in June 1930 as the successor to the American Conference of Undenominational Churches. 53, Cornhill, 1813, Fundamental Baptist CD ROM Library, 1701 Harns Rd. I do hope that your eyes will be opened up soon because keeping the law will not grant you entrance into heaven. God has set up a completely different program for believers in the church age. [CDATA[ The acapella voices were very beautiful, and I knew she would have enjoyed hearing them. Sir, About. I see through to the intensions of this site. From there, entering into an IFB church really gave me a culture shock. My sons group will be performing on the Indie stage at 10:00 am on July 1. To say there is a unbroken line or succession of Baptist churches from the time of Christ until today cannot be shown from history. Any way dont want to lie on any church. People have a tendency to attempt to conceal their sin. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. 77. I believe every one should realize that all is God & if a saint desires to put a tenth to honor God & furthering His kingdom or whatver portion as He desiresthat s a noble act between God & Himself. Our editors will review what youve submitted and determine whether to revise the article. Bob So true, the subject that I simply couldnt justify (there were several) with my old fundy churchs teaching with scripture, was tithing. It shows Gods promises to us and more importantly it shows us Gods fulfilled promises to the church. PEOPLE are the problem! 7. No one in USA at least (whether IFB, CALVARLY CHAPEL, MOST CHURCHES, etc) tithe on all belongings at they practiced thier & our money/wealth/argicultural exchange & system is very different. Thats why Paul advocated free will offerings (see 2 Corinthians 9). I do dislike what seems to be human effort in trying to do what only the Spirit of God can do through a clear presentation of the word of God. http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/ This site is run by a Jack Hyles follower. Youve done nothing to, directly compare doctrine and practices using scripture to make the assertion which is correct.. - Truth and Song I recently read an article essentially asking this same question, What's Wrong With the Independent Fundamental Baptists? He then began to ask me questions and we had a good conversation centered around God from there on. Also, and Im not sure how to word this question properly, but during the building of the original NT church as described in Acts and further in the rest of the NT, wouldnt they have had to subscribe to some form of outside authority and control in order for the church to be formed? But wouldnt Paul himself, or the original church to whom the letter was sent, count as outside authority and control? The entire point of Matthew 15 is Jesus telling the Pharisees that the ceremonial laws were no longer needed since the reason for them (the cleansing of sin) was replaced with Christs eventual death on the cross. Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. It was almost like watching 12yr olds trying to run a corporation. In 1638, he landed in Boston and settled for a short time in Piscataway (now Dover) in New Hampshire. Our Beliefs JESUS CHRIST Jesus Christ is at the center of everything. To preach the Bible without the rituals of the Church of England was against the law. HARVEY ND 58341 (701) 324-4415 CH/HM. In other words, when the Bible speaks, the words have a literal meaning and that it the meaning God intended. I chose to focus on the doctrine of separation as typically understood by Independent Baptists (I was one). The list is endless. In this sense, any church which founds itself strictly on the New Testament teachings, is a true and Biblical church, even if it existed in time, only yesterday. It certainly isnt about our adherance to a set of manmade rules. Any church fellowship that encourages avoiding another Christian denomination/fellowship, even if they uphold & believe these, b/c they are not of the same denomination are in gross error & a cult. Don't expect anything contemporary or liberal. It was not the man who founded the church that was important, but the New Testament principles on which he founded this church. That godly Deacon, so righteous on the outside, may have deep dark unrepentant sins no one know about. 2.) Share this: I will not post here again. The purpose of the Law being fullfilled we should do all good works in Christ for we are saved to do good works. You said that I pulled that phrase out of context but then you went on to prove that it was in context. Greek Orthodox Churches; Unity Churches; Lutheran Churches; Eastern Orthodox Churches; These churches were missions minded and formed schools to train preachers and missionaries. (II Peter 1:20) Baptist believe you do not have to be a Baptist in order to be saved and have eternal life, but a person must believe the Gospel as revealed in the New Testament. What possible value is there in appealing to a supposed unbroken line of Baptist churches as a churchs authority. You CANNOT be loving either if you are refusing to render unto the Lord that which is his, and this includes tithing. So, IT IS in the New Testament! That will suffice. To distinguish oneself from every other believer in the Body of Christ by either a doctrine, a practice, or a person is not scriptural, as the apostle Paul wrote to the Corinthians. It may be this passage of Scripture Paul had in mind when he said I am innocent of the blood of all men because he had taught them the whole counsel of Gods word. Certainly we are not responsible for people we never have an opportunity to witness to. Whether these groups of believers called themselves Baptists or not, if they were doctrinally pure, following the New Testament for their faith and practice they were New Testament churches and thus they can be called Baptistic. How would the IFB Churches differ from other churches that teach first century, new testament doctrine? To call these people Baptists or Baptistic, in the sense the believed the Bible and followed it as their sole authority for faith and practice, in the same way true Baptist churches do today, is acceptable, although it serves no purpose. If they want to protest such an event, please feel free to move their candy butts a mile or more down the road. Independent Fundamental Churches of America, fellowship of conservative, independent Christian churches stressing biblical truth. In answer your assumptions about me. The New Testament teaches the absolute autonomy of each local church who is to govern itself as the Word of God instructs free from outside authority and control. Im referring to a mistake I made in my fairly long comment, which you may not have seen yet, once you do youll understand I was correcting a statement in my next to last paragraph. . The Bible and only the Bible reveals to men how to have their sins forgiven and have everlasting life and heaven. But I dont self-identify as a Baptist any longer, I simply say that Im a christian. They were intolerant to anyone who did not agree to the authority of the Puritan church, which was supported by a governmental church tax of all the people. This is whats known as the Argumentum ad populum fallacy. These worldly churches still call themselves Baptists but in fact they do not believe or practice what true Baptists have historically believed and more importantly what the Word of God says. Roger Williams is credited with founding the first Baptist church on American soil. In 1638, Williams made his way to what is now Providence, Rhode Island, and there bought some land from the Indians. Up to this time Williams was not a Baptist. But it seems bottom line the wealth & sacrifce of it to kingdom building remains the same. God uses us, to the extent that get out of His way. His resources are free from this sight. Some more deception I would like to expose are these IFB web sites. Christs death ushured in teh New Covenant where ceremonial law for the remission of sin is replaced with grace and mercy. Knolleys was imprisoned many times and suffered at the hands of the State Church. Exposing the Dangerous Teachings of the Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Denomination, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception 2009-2020, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception. Benedict states that the English Roman Catholics in 1535, put to death twenty two Baptists for heresies. Puritans and Baptists alike, to escape persecution, migrated to the New World. If the staff at Costa Mesa accepts the person, he becomes an affiliated clergyman in a global network led by Chuck Smith.. Theres no recourse. It lead me down a road that took me farther away from God rather than closer. However, let no one think little of the name of Baptist for it is the name that most has identified those individuals and churches who have uncompromisingly stood on the Word of God. Ive told bits and pieces of my story here over the last couple of years, so dont want to travel back through all of that, suffice it to say I left a very legalistic IFB, and now find myself in a tiny, new work that a friend started about 4 years ago (about 20 on Sunday) he calls it a Baptist church, I spoke to him about taking the baptist title out of it, but he wouldnt have it. My Sunday school teacher and I have discussed the music issue and we both agree that there is nothng wrong with contemporary Christian music (I do believe some of it lifts up flesh rather than Jesus, though). They will not engage in joint meetings, or evangelistic endeavors, with Protestants, Catholics, or other doctrinally unsound church groups, who do not hold to the fundamental teachings of the New Testament. Particular Baptist had their beginnings around 1616, when some dissenters left the Church of England and were lead by the Rev. I have also spend a good bit of down time ruminating over my beliefs of my church, and the fallacies of their theology. So I still think Just about every Church has Strict dress Standards whether they know it or not. I already estb basis of why Tithing I believe is good (must read all post under Lynne). Baptists are not Protestants! Independent Fundamental Churches of America, fellowship of conservative, independent Christian churches stressing biblical truth. Not sure where to post this so lets try here. Finally, I think you have some anger issues. Lynne, (David Benedict, A General History of the Baptist Denomination in American, and Other Parts of the World, London: Lincoln and Edmands, Nr. It sounds like you believe that we are not required to tithe, but somehow we are better off if we do? The over the years the growth of so many false and idolatrous practices caused some within the Catholic church such as Martin Luther to rebel, and to try to reform the Catholic church. The point is Jesus not only did not condem it but He said it should not have been left undone. 4. All Independent Baptist Church The Road to Emmaus Baptist Church - Monaca, PA No Reviews Favorite Claimed? The one thing that makes one a Baptist is that historically they have followed the New Testament alone as its sole rule for faith and practice. They all hold to a system of hierarchy in church government and do not accept the autonomy the local church. Although, they were not as corrupt as the Church of England, they still practiced a strict ritual of church service, a state church, and among other things, infant baptism. How can you not see that? It seems like in the church I personally attended, that the powertrip I saw actually stemmed from a total lack of outside maturity from the church in general. An Independent Fundamental Baptist church exists for the sole purpose of evangelizing the world with the saving Gospel of Jesus Christ. True Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches uphold the purest teachings of the early church as revealed in the New Testament. Thus, resolving to follow the Lords commands in truth, in March, 1639 he formed the first Baptist church on American soil. Many men have suffered and given their fortunes and their lives to hold the name in truth. However, tithing has nothing to do with your Salvation King James (KJV) Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches in Arkansas. Individuals may also seek membership, and those who do are usually ministers, missionaries, Bible teachers, evangelists, editors of Christian periodicals, or students. Lynne While I agree with most of your comment, I would be very interested in finding where Jesus teaches about tithing in the bible. Drinkers go to the next town to buy their drinks. The study of Gods word deserves more time than this life holds. God richly bless you and Merry Christmas! This again cannot be proven from history. He was talking about ceremonial law not moral law I think you are confusing those two. Gossips offer plausible deniability. You are truly blind and I hope that you will one day see more clearly. I believe that the Bible is clear on what is modest apparel. @greg Historically, Baptists were never a part of the Roman Catholic Church or the Protestant Reformation and therefore can not be correctly called protestors or Protestants.